Ep.36 Evolving from regrets and self-punishment to peace and self-love.

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Transcript
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Hello, hello, and welcome to the Borealis

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experience. I’m very excited to have Frank Anthony with me

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today. He is, yeah, a fellow podcaster. And a guy that I was

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blessed to meet a couple of weeks ago, he invited me on to

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his show. And now, yeah, I have a couple of topics that I want

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to discuss with Frank, because I know he’s a very authentic and

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raw person. And he’s not shy to, yeah, share stuff that maybe

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some people might be a little bit too shy around. And, yeah,

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we just have a good conversation flow. And I wanted my listeners

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to get to know you a little better. Frank, you started your

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podcast, May of 2020. Let me be frank, when I saw that title, I

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just thought, Oh, my God. This is so cool. And you’re being

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very, very frank. And it’s very, very refreshing show. Can you

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like invite us into your world a little bit. So you are pumping

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out? episodes on a regular you have interview guests, like from

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all over the world? How does your life look like right now?

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Well, first, I want to say hello to everyone listening. And thank

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you so much for coming. For me being able to come on your show.

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It’s an opportunity I’ve been really excited about ever since

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we connected and you came on to my show. So I do want to say

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thank you for that, because this is awesome to be part of the

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Borealis experience. But yeah, a little bit with me, well, I

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guess so my life, it looks. The best way to put it, I guess, is

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organized chaos. But I mean that in a good way. Because before it

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used to just be chaotic and chaos, but I decided I needed

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to, I needed to organize some things I need to reevaluate

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certain things in my life who I was, as a human being. So as you

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know, as an individual, I can be pretty, I can be very open, I

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can be pretty out there I can, you know, I can try to be funny,

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sarcastic, you know, all different. I also have a big

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heart and I try to be kind and treat people with respect. So

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yeah, my life though. It used to be kind of doing like, the

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typical, like, Oh, I’m gonna, you know, go work a certain job.

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And I don’t love the job, but I’m going to go do it. Just Just

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because I didn’t really realize the freedom that life has for

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us. Like, I think we, I think we are more free than we like to

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believe sometimes or we treat ourselves as not being like, Oh,

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I can’t do this. I can’t do that. Why not? You know, like,

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it doesn’t hurt to cry it at least. So now my life is the

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podcast and working on a book. And it’s things that I really

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truly loved to do, compared to, like I said before going to a

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job that other people definitely would love to go do it just

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wasn’t my passion. So now I’m actually starting last year was

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the beginning of me, being able to not only accept myself as a

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human being and that I’m not perfect, but yet I can still

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love myself but also accepting just my environment and that I

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can pay if I don’t love it, I can change it. Or I can at least

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try to change it and work every day on that. And I’m always

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trying to develop new habits and stuff. But yes, I host a podcast

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called let me be frank with Frank Anthony and I’ve met tons

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of wonderful people like yourself Aurora around the world

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that just even honestly Make me like, you know, let up Frank

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makes me an even better individual than I was yesterday,

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after I meet people like you and other people, regardless of

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where they are in the world. There’s always some sort of

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lesson there’s always some value that I can see in other people.

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I what I like with shows like ours is we don’t need to we

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don’t need to you know, there’s so many shows that interview

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celebrities because a lot of us will care about what celebrities

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are doing. But I also like to show that everyday people are

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also interesting as well and that there’s an interesting

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things about us that we just After you know what the rock

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over and discover,

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hmm, very beautiful. And yeah, and with everyday people, it’s

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easier to relate to, right, like we can relate better to the

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person next door than some Beyonce or whoever is out there

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being a celebrity. And yeah, I also want to comment on your 21

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little habits that you’re doing right now. Because I find that

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very inspiring you are out there and not only doing your podcast

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inviting people and letting us learn with them together, you

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post on Facebook, very regularly. And it’s it’s things

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that help the individual to be more positive and ever more

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organized. And you empower people, you show them, hey, you

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can do these little tricks, and they will lead to a more

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fulfilled and let’s say successful life, I really enjoy

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following it. When it comes to your podcast, I can sense that

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you found something that gives you to joy and that you’re

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really passionate about. And you also mentioned that you’re

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pushing through, like self doubt at times, and you become a

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better human. Like you make it an intention to get better with

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maybe even every episode that you push out there. And this is

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also very inspiring, because I feel a lot of people have so

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much potential, and then they have their self doubt and

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criticism creep in. And that’s what lets them be stuck in a job

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that they don’t want to be in. Or in a relationship that is

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super toxic. So that you share this with us. You know, I last

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time we talked we mentioned Joe Rogan. And when you started out,

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you went back to his first episode that saw that, oh, yeah,

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he was not perfect all along. He, he grew with his mission.

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And this is something we have to learn to accept and know that

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everybody is going through. What I would like to talk about with

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you today is when it comes to relationship, and it doesn’t

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have to be romantic relationship only it can be friendship or

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family. How did your relationships over time, evolve

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or change? As soon as you started working on yourself and

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feeling better with yourself? So do you remember a time back then

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when you were still like, not following your passion and not

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seeing a true purpose for yourself? How your relationships

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were different than they are today?

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Definitely, definitely, definitely, I’ve gone through a

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few different phases in my own life. And I assume a lot of

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people do. Some people don’t, unfortunately, they don’t learn

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different ways that maybe they could communicate better, or

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develop interpersonal relationships better with

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others. And it’s honestly become one of my own passions that I’ve

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discovered that I love to analyze and study as well. For

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me, so at the beginning years and years ago, I, I don’t want

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to give like any excuse for like, Oh, well, because my

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environment was a certain way why I ended up being a certain

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person. But I think as a child, your environment is very

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important, or it does mold you in a certain way. And I love my

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family. I love them to death, but their communication style

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and building relationships was quite optic in the way that we

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would, you know, I grew up, I grew up in an Italian family.

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And you would just kind of yell at each other, you would just

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yell things back and forth. And I mean, there, there were some

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awful things you could say to one another. But you wouldn’t

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stop talking to them because they were family. So it was

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almost like you in a sense, you could get away with saying, I

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don’t even want to give an example if it would be too

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explicit. But but you have an idea like you could say

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something so awful to this other family member that if you had

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said that to someone outside the family, they would not not only

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not want to talk to you again or block you. I mean, they could

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call the police on you for certain things like it could be

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so yeah, just so paradores certain actions towards one

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another. That was I do love my family. And they do you know,

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they mean, well, of course, we’re all you know, they’re all

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growing, I’m growing everyone’s grown. and stuff, they’ve

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definitely gotten better over time, like myself, but that type

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of environment I took out of the family environment, and I

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brought it into the real world with other people. And I learned

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the hard way, that that’s not, that’s not what I should have

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done that I needed to, I thought I knew everything, when in

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reality, there was still a lot I needed to learn. So I use some

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of those behaviors, I would say such awful things, to either

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best friends, or romantic partners, or anyone that

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actually gave me the time of day, which I’m grateful for

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them. And then I feel sorry for that, that they did in that

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period of my life. Because I was, yeah, I just there was a

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lot, I still had to learn, I would do those things. And I

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lost a lot of people by certain things that I would say, if I

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felt like I was hurt by something, maybe they didn’t

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even mean to hurt me with certain words, they said, Maybe

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I just took it the wrong way, I would need to cut back five

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times deeper, and say something way worse. And then obviously,

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that would ignite something that’s not the way to

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communicate with someone, instead, I could have

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communicated that, you know, I feel like, I feel like you’ve

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hurt me in a certain way or something, it could have went a

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different way. So at the beginning, it was a lot of

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anger. And I think it was a lot of anger, and hurt because of

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growing up what I felt from certain situations, whether they

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were in school or in my family life or in life in general, then

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I started to evolve a little bit, and learn about

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communication and see the importance of communication in a

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relationship. And the issue that with that was that during I can

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think of I can definitely think of one relationship specifically

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where they, they didn’t really want to communicate anything.

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They were almost like a brick wall. And I thought

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communication was just talking at someone just saying

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everything you feel, and they just have to take it. Yeah.

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So and that wasn’t the right way. either. I learned I learned

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I can’t just keep talking. Well, first of all, I can’t talk at

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someone you have to communicate. It’s like a team, you have to

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communicate with each other. Yes, a back and forth, where you

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say something the other person listens, you don’t just you

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don’t have to wait your turn to say what you want to say. You

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could actually listen to what that person whether it’s a

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friend, family member, romantic partner, whoever it is, you need

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to listen to what they’re actually saying, you know,

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they’re giving you the gift of communication and of language

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and the gift of through emotion and feeling that they’re feeling

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on the inside. So you could value that and listen to it, and

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then respond accordingly. And also add in your own feelings.

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So there’s been you know, with going to school for psychology

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and just certain life lessons throughout my life. I, I believe

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I’ve learned I can still learn, of course more, but I believe

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I’ve learned a lot so far in that sense. And I kind of gained

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this passion when it comes to interpersonal relationships,

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because it’s so crucial whether it’s for your job, or, you know,

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to build a family with someone or Yeah, to have long lasting

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friendships over the years.

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Wow. Like it’s so crazy. I mean, I haven’t known you long, but

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the content that you put out and the energy that I feel for me, I

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would have never said that you were a poor communicator couple

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years back, and it’s so remarkable how far you got and

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how, how much you can reflect about it. You always have to be

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careful to not like feel like punish yourself too much for how

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you behaved back then because your baby brain your your

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youthful brain was just, yeah, like squished or marked so much

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by the environment and you were able like to get yourself out of

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that more toxic dynamic. And now, when you think of the

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people that you might have heard and that you’re maybe not in

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contact anymore. Did you ever think about reconnecting and

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maybe talking about this Or are they just not in your life

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anymore?

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it yes and no, it’s a mix, it’s, it really depends on the

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individual. There are a few of them that I have reconnected

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with. Some are friends of mine again, today, which I’m very

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thankful for some. I feel like the minimum goal now, when it

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comes to reconnecting with people that maybe you had a

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heart of with is that you’re at least civil with one another,

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that there’s not hatred in your heart towards the other person

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or vice versa. I really don’t want anyone to wait. I feel like

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to waste time hating me. Yes, feel like it. Like I obviously

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they have the right to feel whichever way they feel. I just

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feel like it’s such a waste to hate on me, because I don’t I’m

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not I’m not worth the energy, honestly, so that I’m not like

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that, like, you can do so many better things. And, and vice

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versa. I don’t need to hate on certain people, because there’s

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different things. There’s different things you can do at

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that time and energy. And that was a hard lesson for me to

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learn over time. But I had a train of thought I think brain

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of thoughts and blues and I was on Oh, sorry, I forgot a sec. I

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was in the moment. With reconnecting there are

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unfortunately there are some people that we that didn’t want

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to talk to me again. And which they have that right to do I can

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actually, I was mad at first, I’d be upset at first about it.

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But then I realized they have the right to feel that way.

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There was some awful thing. Like the things I said, we’re pretty

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awful to the sense that Yeah, they have a right to not want me

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in their life. That’s perfectly okay. And, and if there’s and

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there’s certain there’s a few people that I’ve known in my

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lifetime that I don’t need to hate, but I don’t need to talk

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to them again. Or I don’t need to let them back in to my like,

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bubble or in my circle.

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Yeah, yeah. And sometimes that’s a tough spot to be in because

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you want to apologize so much and explain yourself and help

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the other to like, get over it. But yeah, sometimes people don’t

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want to reconnect and then you got to accept it. And you have

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to forgive yourself and not punish you more and, and just

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move on. But I think it’s beautiful and very, like

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courageous to go and see, Hey, can I reconnect with you? Can I

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Can we just get over this together and not live in

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resentment and become bitter people? That’s like, especially

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in romantic relationships, I feel it’s but also friendships.

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It’s important because there was a time where you had something

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special and intimate. And yeah, it got broken up and some some

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wound still hurt years later.

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How is it there

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was one, there was sorry, there was one specifically I do think

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as someone where I, you know, I had apologized probably 3040

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different times trying to like reconnect, because yeah, the

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hurt being so bad, or like missing them and wanting them.

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And I learned that you can’t you can’t force that on the other

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person. If they don’t, they just didn’t want to reconnect in that

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way. Or they felt like they had already tried enough times with

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me. And yeah, and I agree with you that it’s really, it’s tough

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to accept that or it’s, or it’s tough to, I used to always

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believe that we needed closure, which is why I would reach out

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to other people. And then actually what I learned sometime

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last year, someone had given me really great advice that loader

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can be found within yourself. And I remember that, like wow,

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that. That’s very powerful. Like it really does. It reminded me

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of how powerful we all of us are as human beings. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

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I remember that gets the most painful situation to experience

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when you feel like there’s no closure and you can’t reach the

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other person and now you have to run around half broken for the

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rest of your life and and then I got received, like similar

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advice. And yeah, it frees you from that from a burden even.

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And then from that mission to having to connect with that

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person and gives you peace again and yeah. What would you say are

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the things that you’re still in Learning today or you want to

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get better at when it comes to relationships, or friendships

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like we’re all like a process of working process. I will share

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what what I feel I still need to learn. But if you want to go

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first, what are the things that you feel you need to get better,

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you can go first. I feel sometimes I’m still scared to

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speak my truth, to experience rejection from a person that I

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deeply love. Because they might not be okay with my truth. I’m a

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very, like, loving and caring person. At the same time, I love

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my freedom, and I love to travel and explore. And sometimes I

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find it hard to communicate like to to allow my free spirit to be

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present as well, because I feel in a committed relationship. You

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should feel restricted. So it’s also my, my view on

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relationships, that they have to feel like you’re handcuffed,

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which is wrong. And yeah, because I think it’s because I

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observed with my parents and my grandparents, and maybe friends

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that are married, that this is just how relationships work, you

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have to give up your, your free spiritual, like, explore aside

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and be in the kitchen and do the relationship duties. And that’s

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not good, because I restrict myself and I might be

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restricting my partner as well. And in speaking my truth and my

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desires, I could maybe have more fulfilling relationships. So

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yeah, that’s, for me the, the toughest part.

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Yeah, I, I’ve also witnessed, from certain relationships to,

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at least with romantic ones, this belief that once you get

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with someone, you have to, like almost put off like your family

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or your friends, like you can’t talk like you can’t really hang

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out with your friends as much as they used to, you have to put

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all your time into your partner for all your time and energy,

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and almost make like romantic relationships more important

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than friendships, when both types of relationships are

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important. That’s, that’s definitely a lesson I like to

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remind myself and try not to do to my friends or just other

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people. In general, one thing I can think of it sounds a little,

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it’s gonna sound a little weird, that I think they still could

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use some work on is, is he is taking my own advice. At times,

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I don’t always take it, I can say it to other people, but do I

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always apply it and I think of for one, like one example being

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I’m I am a firm believer in an aisle, and I’ll preach this,

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that you and your romantic partner could live your own,

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like, you should obviously build a life together. But you also

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still need your own separate lives. Like you go into the

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relationship with different interests, different lifestyles,

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and that’s okay to like, still have some of your own passions

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that aren’t related to your partner. So you can still live

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an independent life. And I I can recognize that when I sometimes

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when I go into relationships, it’s happened a lot, where I’m

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like that the beginning. And then I start forming with them,

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I start like mice, I start getting glued to the other

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person, I start doing all the things that they like to do. And

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I started becoming a part of their passions, and then they

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start getting annoyed and kind of for good reason. Sometimes we

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need space from our partners, we need to do our own thing I

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stopped. For example, I love to write and I would just stop all

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my writing. I didn’t need to stop, but I just would because

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it wasn’t their interest. But it was mine and I would start

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losing my own self identity. So that’s something probably even

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to this day that I can continue working on.

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hmm yeah, that’s such a good one. And I feel a lot of people

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who are like compassionate and true lovers, you know. We do

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that we tend to do that because we want to be close to the other

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person and we also want to learn new things. We’re very curious

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and are like, Oh yeah, I can ride later but I want to learn

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like tennis now. Or to ride a unicorn, it’s, it’s very tricky

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because I can feel that you’re also the kind of person who

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would feel selfish, like you would feel selfish to tell your

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new partner No, like today I’m going to write for three hours

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and you can go do something else. It’s it’s a fine line of

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not feeling guilty about it as well. And it is also the thing

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that after a breakup, we have to find, again, like it makes a

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breakup so much harder when you lost yourself along the way, and

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you’re totally glued into one person. And then the breakup

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happens. And you’re like, Oh, my God, who am I, I’m just existing

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with my partner. And I know all these things in my mind, but

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when I’m in there, when I’m passionate and caring again,

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then I throw it all overboard. And it’s, it’s good to talk

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about these things with you. Because then you can kind of

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hold each other accountable. When it comes to your parents,

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like you mentioned your family at the beginning, and that you

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kind of grew out of toxic dynamics, but you sound like you

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still have a really good relationship with them. How did

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your relationship with your parents change? As you changed?

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Was it difficult at first? Were they like, were you kind of

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betraying us a little bit? Or did you try to, like, teach them

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what you are learning and they resist it to it? Or they will

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open to listen? What was your experience with your? And it

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doesn’t have to be parents? Excuse me? It can be like your,

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your core family. Sometimes it’s not necessarily the parents. But

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maybe it is in your case?

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That is a great question. It’s also a very tough question to

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answer. I don’t I don’t get into family too much. Even saying

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what I said before was really getting was starting to get

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personal, I kind of tend to avoid them on my own platform.

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Okay, but I’m on your platform, I’m here. And I’m going to give

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I’m going to give you the goods. So so we can start with parents.

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So well. My dad, it’d be really quick, I almost have no

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relationship with him. In gun, I did it. They didn’t even really

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know. I didn’t even really know anything about them for some

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time. And I’ve only met him once my entire life when I was 17.

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The only time I ever saw him in person. There. There’s a lot of

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backstory with all that too. But unfortunately, you know, it just

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wasn’t the best dynamic for him and I to continue communicating.

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And I needed to, I had to warn him that hard lesson that they

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always say Blood is thicker than water. But I don’t always

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believe that is the case. Like I think it you have to really look

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at the individual. And I’m like, just because he’s my biological

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father. It doesn’t mean he’s been my father that’s actually

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been there for me. So, so yeah, that that’s quick. Like there’s

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just not really any communication and any

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communication that has been there. It really just has been

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wishy washy with my mom. She pretty much raised me on her

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own. It also, that whole situation is very complicated,

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because I love her. I love her to death. But our communication

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we’re so the issue is, Well, two things. One, we’re very similar.

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So you’re going to have like that clash of people of two

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people who get annoyed by the same things yet. The second

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issue is we is obviously we know each other’s to the point that

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we know how to push each other’s buttons. And once you figure out

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someone’s big red button, someone else’s and you have that

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power to push it. That’s when it can get ugly at times. And we’ve

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we’ve had a back and forth of being really good and then being

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really bad. And today, it’s better. It’s getting better. I

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think one thing we learned is especially maybe becoming an

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adult we just couldn’t live together anymore. I think that

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kind of happens with a lot of parents and their kids. It’s

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like the kid wants to you know, be an adult now. And now be

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called like the 20 something year old kid or the 36 something

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year old kid. It’s like they want to be able to fly out of

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the nest. And my mom is very I was our only child only son, so

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very, very over protective of me that took a lot of time and

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communication to get through and figure and, you know, let on my

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end, let her know, hey, I, I need to go out and be an adult.

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And I think she knew that deep down just was afraid something

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bad would happen to me or didn’t want me to get her when in

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reality I have to get her in order to learn. But I feel like

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it just needs to happen we need to go. We can’t just always have

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positive experiences, bad things are going to happen. People are

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going to pass away someday. P this Yeah, certain tragedies are

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in stone, like weather related to like any natural disasters,

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they mean like any, like anything can really happen.

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That’s bad that we don’t have control over. So So yeah, so our

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communication was very up and down. Because I felt like, I

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felt like my communication was growing, and that she kinda was

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more stagnant. But I also don’t, I mean, she’s the only one

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that’s going to really be able to identify what her

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communication style is. I just that’s something I felt with her

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whenever I would talk to her that communication could be

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difficult. Other other family members, I mean, yeah, I to be

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like, to be honest, I am close to my family, but not close to

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my family, which probably doesn’t make any sense. So maybe

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it makes some sense. But it’s like I’m, I’m close to them in

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the sense that

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I’ve spent like, a certain amount of time with them. But

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then I’m not close in the sense that we really haven’t had much

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communication with one another. I was one of the younger family

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members. So I think I was always viewed as the one of the

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children in the family. And even when I became an adult, they

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still wouldn’t talk to me like I was an adult, or they would hide

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certain things from me in fear that like I would get hurt. So

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that was something that we’ve been needing to work on in the

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process, like, Hey, I’m an adult. Now, like, I can handle

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any like, for example, when I, when I was only like 1011 years

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old, my uncle was only 30 years old, and he got in a car

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accident and died. So that was something that they they

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actually they told me he passed. But then it like I didn’t go to

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the week or the funeral or I like they just never really

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talked about him again. To me. It was just kind of like, they

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told me that one time, and then they didn’t really want me to

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actually like except the death. When it’s like you kind of need

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to like, yeah, it’s tough. As a child, it’s tougher at any age,

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to deal with losing a loved one. But it’s like you need to, you

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would have to go through that process of what is it the five

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stages of grief or whatever your process is, you have to go

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through that in order to so that other situations aren’t nearly

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as difficult. So it’s not it doesn’t feel life ending every

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single time. Someone that So yeah, that’s kind of like, I

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guess that’s an adjust the communication between me and and

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family, I think for the most part.

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Mm hmm. Wow. Yeah, that’s, so it sounds like you are close, but

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you’re not maybe seeking approval. When you make a big

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decision, like starting a podcast or writing a book, you

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just do it because you know, it’s what you are desiring to

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do. And he will share with them along the way. But you will not

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like be codependent and wanting to know that they are on board.

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Did I get that right?

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Yeah, I think you did, I think and I also think they knew me so

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well as a child, but then never really got to know me as an

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adult. Yeah. And then they’re on my end, because I can’t I can’t

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really speak how they feel about me at the end of the day, I

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could assume, but I don’t really know fully. But on my end, there

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is some sort of, I can admit there’s some sort of mistrust

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with family members, that kind of that also hinders my

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communication with them compared to like best friends where I

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probably have a healthier level of communication.

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Yeah, yeah. Wow, that sounds pretty like common that a lot of

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people find like to family and their friends and they’re still

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connected to their family, but a little bit on a healthy

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distance. And that’s okay, as well. Man, we’re coming to an

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end to I’m looking at the clock. It’s like 37 It felt like 10

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minutes. I have so many more questions. Maybe we can do that

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again soon. I would love you to share where people can find you.

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If they got curious about you. Let me be frank podcast on all

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the platforms that you can imagine your book, How far are

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you into writing your book? When is it time for us to have a peek

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at it?

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I wish I was farther, I’m starting to get better with

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frying too. The problem is, once I stopped writing, I sometimes

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can’t get back on the train. So I realized I gotta write a

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little bit every day. Even if it’s like 100 words, it’s not a

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whole lot. But it’s something it’s just getting something on

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paper that I need to keep up with. Because if I go, if I go

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like three or more days in a row, I’m probably not going back

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to the piece or it’ll be a long time. So I’ve so honestly, I

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only have like, I don’t have much of a manuscript, maybe like

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30 something pages at the moment, but my goal was to try

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to finish the manuscript this year. But we’ll see I really,

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that’s a minimum goal. I want to try to do more. So we’ll see.

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Keep everyone updated on that. Cool then my social medias I’ll

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try to keep it kind of simple. explains I go by two different

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names on social media. So for example, my podcast, Instagram

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and my Twitter are at let me be frank, odd. And then my personal

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Instagram, and my Tick Tock are Frank Anthony books. And then I

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have a website, www dot frank Anthony books calm. And like you

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had said to the podcast, as on Spotify, apple, podcasts, pod

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bean, and a ton of other different streaming services.

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Very, very cool. Well, thank you so much for being here with us

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today. It was such a pleasure to meet with you in person again. I

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mean, zoom is what we have right now. And, yeah, I will make sure

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to connect people with you. And I’m excited for your upcoming

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episodes. Thank you for being here.

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Thank you so much, Aurora.

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Thank you so much for listening to this interview. I hope you

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got a lot of value out of it. And yeah, make your own

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conclusions. My biggest conclusion here is, it is so

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important to reflect about how we behaved in the past how we

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communicated, and to think about how we can do things better in

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the future and reconnect with people that we have lost along

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the way. And be okay with people not wanting to reconnect with us

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anymore. take really good care of yourself. Thanks for

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subscribing and maybe leaving me or writing on Apple podcast. I

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will be out there very soon again. Bye bye, Aurora.

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