Ep.33 Born into poverty and crime- rising up and living a life as inspiring role model w/Jeremy Devens

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I feel deeply honoured to have Jeremy Devens on my show today.

Jeremy is the founder of the Quiet Mind Yoga podcast and is also hosting the Quietmind Astrology Podcast where he teaches us about Vedic Astrology.

The two podcasts offer weekly episodes to study, practice and teach the most effective methods of Yoga, Ayurveda and Vedic Astrology.

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Today he will share his story:

So captivating, touching and deeply inspiring!

From poverty to peace of mind and prosperity.

From pain to peace.

From isolation to deep meaningful connections.

From confusion and depression to becoming a beautiful inspiring heart driven leader.

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Transcript
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Hello, and welcome to the Borealis experience. I’m

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your host Aurora. And I’m very excited to be posting this

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interview today with Jeremy devens. Jeremy has a yoga

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podcast called the quiet mind, yoga podcast. And he also has an

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astrology podcast about Vedic Astrology. Make sure to check it

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out. He’s a huge inspiration for me. And his podcast helped me

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through that very long and COVID influenced winter. He is so much

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in my life

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that we in my family, we have a term when we say, do you want to

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do a Jeremy? It means do you want to do a yoga session a

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meditation with Jeremy because I see you’re struggling. And I

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know this will make you feel better. He has an incredible

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story. He was born into poverty and crime, and is now rising up

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to be an inspiring role model and leader. So I’m very honored

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to have him here on my show today, and to share his story

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with you.

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I hope you enjoy this interview. And yeah, feel free to share or

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send a comment or a review. And we will be excited and happy to

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answer all the questions you have. Welcome on the Borealis

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experience show.

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Jeremy devens.

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Yeah, well, thank you. I really appreciate that intro.

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So yes, I was quiet mind yoga podcast and the quiet mind

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astrology podcast is there separate and yoga practices on

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the yoga, podcast, and then astrology insights and

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horoscopes on the astrology one. And it’s vedic astrology, which

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is from the same source texts of the Vedas as yoga teachings. And

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a lot of what I teach now is very much from that tradition

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and path is so helpful in my life. And I’ve had a really sort

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of

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interesting life. I guess I could say anything, everyone

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could say that. But I had a very difficult childhood, no father

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and very unusual upbringing, and led me to ask a lot of questions

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and try a lot of different things. And then I ended up

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finding yoga at a relatively young age in my early 20s. So

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there’s a lot of things I could touch on. But I’m curious if

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there’s anything in particular, you’d want me to focus on maybe

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this

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finding your true self, your knowing yourself, like you

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talked about in your podcast, understanding yourself better

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things like that. Yeah.

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Yeah, and most of my listeners are men. And I feel like it’d be

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very interesting to hear how you started your healing journey,

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because I think a lot of the time, like, it’s good to have

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guidance, and it’s good to hear the story of someone who went

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through stuff, and then how they help themselves. We talk a lot

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about counseling. But sometimes a counselor, like is kind of

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from an above perspective, and they sometimes didn’t go through

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stuff. So on my podcast, we share stories, where we can

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relate and you go as deep as you want to go

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for people to understand who you are, what you went through.

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Yeah, so your healing journey and to share that

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will be so incredibly valuable.

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Yeah, for sure. So first thing of note worth of note worthiness

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is I you know, growing up without a father, it’s it was

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very, sort of unclear of, you know, who I am or what here or

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going to school when everybody’s talking about their dad and

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their family. And you know, I didn’t have that. So I felt

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outcast and different and I think we all feel outcast in

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different ways. And are all kind of seeking to understand

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ourselves better. But that was for me, I just kind of got used

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to it though. I felt like okay, well, that’s just the way in my

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life is and that’s okay, and can’t change that. And we

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actually did several blood tests with different men and it wasn’t

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those guys and my mom had a really

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ruff wildlife as a young person she had me when she was 20, I

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was a fourth kid, the only one that she kept. So the other ones

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were adopted out. So it’s very unusual and sort of chaotic. And

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we moved all the time. And there are different men around. So I

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didn’t really have any, like masculine role models are men to

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look up to, I had a couple of uncles who were criminals. They

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were in and out of jail all the time and stealing and

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doing drugs, and is very chaotic. We lived above a bar

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and inner city, and there was shootings outside of my window,

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like there was violence around. And

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so my mom was a bartender, and I was around the bars and the

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gangs there in the inner city of Minnesota, in Minneapolis,

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growing up there,

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and she wouldn’t let me go outside. So I just stayed inside

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all the time. And that was actually good, it’s, I probably

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would have gotten a lot of trouble, one of my friends

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actually got shot at a young age. So it’s good that I stayed

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inside. And that kind of led me into a more meditative way of

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approaching everything says having to be isolated, having to

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be internal, almost in a confinement in a way in

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solitary, which is what meditation is, really, it’s like

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a chosen sort of solitude. So I basically had to be alone. And

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I got into like video games and movies and keep any kid. But I

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spent a lot of time alone. And I got to kind of sit with my

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thoughts a lot. And I think that led me to being interested in

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meditation and yoga and spiritual path. And eventually,

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I was flipping through public access TV, and there was some

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guy doing Qigong, I didn’t know what she Gong, but that’s what

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he was doing on TV. And he’s just like, standing there, you

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know, with his cheap camera and doing some movements. And he’s

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talking about energy, you can feel energy in your body. So I

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was like, making fun of it with my friend. But then I saw it

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again, like no, another day, and I just tried it myself. And I

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was like, Oh, my God, I could feel the energy. I felt

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something. He said, you know, feel this in your stomach, I

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could feel it.

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So I got really interested in finding that, you know, finding

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this hard to figure out when that show was on, I only found

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it a couple of times on public access. But as sort of sparked

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my curiosity, like there’s something more than just, you

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know, the everyday life that I was living in.

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That’s another way teens. So I got curious about meditation and

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eventually found Alan Watts. Have you heard of Alan Watts?

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Yes, yeah. Yeah, it’s great philosopher, teacher writer, the

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60s 70s or so, and eventually found, like all of his audio, I

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could find hundreds of hours of stuff and listened to all of it

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over and over again. And that was like my first sort of father

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figure really, in my life.

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I had my uncles who taught me how to steal. So I was stealing

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things when I was young.

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And my mom was like, What are you doing? Like, why are you

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like, Well, you know, the only men in my life are thieves.

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That’s what men do, right? She just gotten a lot of trouble for

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that and realize, like, well, that’s not really what I want to

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be doing.

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And fortunately, I didn’t get into drugs, so dodged a bullet

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there. But I did get really into meditation and like this sort of

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spiritual path at a pretty young age and realize ultimately, that

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like, any reason that we can take drugs, or any reason that

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drugs could affect us is because they’re affecting our neuro

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chemistry, what’s happening in our brains. It’s like the drugs

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are just stimulating something that’s already in our brains

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that I think we can access with breathing techniques or

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meditative techniques. So started exploring that stuff.

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And Alan Watts kind of talked about some of this stuff. And he

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just had a really interesting view of the world. And so I got

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really into that. And then I just kept going, like we touched

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on so he starts talking about yoga. So I was like, Okay, well,

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I’ll check out yoga then just, I was doing the meditation as best

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I could, and like finding like some guided meditations. But

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then he mentioned yoga. So I started to seek out a yoga

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class, and eventually found one at my gym that I was going to,

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but it was all women. So I was like, this maybe isn’t for me,

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maybe it’s actually just the women’s only thing. So I

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eventually found it wasn’t just for women and tried it and loved

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it. And it was like meditation and movement together. So I felt

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like I found this thing that I was looking for.

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Because it was having this way of being present and being

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embodied. And being with myself that wasn’t so negative because

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a lot of times when I was with myself before it was

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I got really into like dark, heavy music and really moody

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stuff. So I was kind of in a depressed state for a few years

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before that, and the embodiment of yoga really got me out of

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that. So

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this is kind of, you know, getting me up to my early 20s.

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And then I, then I wanted to keep doing yoga more. So I tried

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that yoga class, it felt really profound and really important.

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And like, something I wanted to do every day, even though it was

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very much outside of my norm, not cool. Like all my friends

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that I had in high school, were getting into drinking and drugs

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and partying all the time. And it was like the split in my life

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where it’s like, I don’t want to do that, because I saw that

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growing up. And

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so I just basically went out on my own, and didn’t really have

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any friends for a while. And it was just like doing yoga things

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and meditation things and Alan Watts stuff and listening to

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that all the time. And I was just working jobs for money at

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the time, but I was mainly trying to be a musician. That

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was my main focus and music. And that was a way of expressing

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myself. But it was all kind of filtered through this ego lens

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of like, I should look this way, or I should like the music

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should be this way I should have this success. Or I’m this age

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now, like what did these people do when they were my age? So

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there’s a lot of ego wrapped up in it. And

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eventually, I read this book by Alex gray, the painter Do you

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know Alex gray heard of him? I’ve heard of him? Yes.

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So he is like a psychedelic painter. He’s done all the

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artwork for the tool albums, the pan tool.

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And he kind of he tries to transmit this like mystical

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experiences meditative experience through his art. And

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he has a book called The mission of art. And I read that. And

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that really stood out to me. And he talks about this idea of ego

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side, instead of suicide ego side. So I was in this

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depressive state. And I was like, looking at all this stuff.

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Like, why are we here? What’s the point like, Who am I and

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trying to understand myself in my life, and

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it’s very down for a while, but then I read his idea of ego

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side, it really stood out to me, because he talks about how

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there’s a certain amount of people every year, jump off the

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Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco and try to kill

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themselves. And some of them survive. Some of them don’t. But

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the ones who survive in like the research they’ve done and then

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most to death, you think, well, maybe they tried to kill

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themselves again, and they, they’re successful that time.

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But a lot of them from the studies that they found actually

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survived the jump, and then they feel like a part of them died,

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rather than actually dying. Like, they realized, well, if

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I’m willing to do that, if I’m willing to give up everything

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and just end it all, then everything else now is a bonus.

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It’s just extra, it’s like, I can do anything. Like if I’m

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willing to just end it, why not just quit my job that I don’t

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like or leave this situation, I’m not happy and, and they’re

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essentially killed their ego, and moved on. And that’s what I

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did in my life is my identity was musician, cool, dark,

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brooding, mysterious guy, whatever.

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And I just dropped all that and just got really into things that

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actually enjoyed, which was the yoga and meditation and

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left. My, you know, is difficult decision. But the main person I

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was making music with were in this is always felt heavier when

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we were working together, and it felt more like I was going down

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and a darker place I didn’t want to really be in.

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So I just trusted like, Okay, well, I’m going to go towards

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what really lights me up. And what I really feel like is in

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alignment, and that was I knew for sure it was just doing yoga

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every day, and meditating every day. And that was the first

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step. And then it was my diet and my habits and my sleep. And

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you know, and then moving out of Minneapolis, I didn’t like the

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cold weather and moving to Texas where it’s warmer. And so just

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like this step by step of like,

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you know, noticing what’s feels like it’s in alignment and what

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I actually want and what’s not in alignment anymore and kept

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doing the things that were in alignment and it started with

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just one thing for sure for me was you know, the yoga but

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before that it was the Alan Watts and before that it was

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meditation. And so now at this point, it’s I feel like most of

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my life is in the integrity if like if something feels out of

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integrity, I can say, now that doesn’t feel right, I need to

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change that.

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But for a long time, I did just kind of work jobs to make money

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and just kind of get by and all I had was my yoga practice I

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felt in alignment and then little food choices, little

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health choices or lifestyle choices.

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And then that eventually led to a yoga teacher training which

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completely changed my life. And then that teacher was also an

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astrologer. So astrology learning, did an apprenticeship

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with him and just kept studying and studying and just basically

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was on the 10 year run of just constantly doing trainings and

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learning and going to retreats and reading books and having

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lots of experiences being deeply involved in communities with

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their centered around yoga and meditation and spiritual

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communities. And men’s work as well and the mankind project,

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it’s really helpful space. So basically, I decided to just try

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everything because everything was extra, so willing to kill my

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ego of rock star, whatever. You know, Trent Reznor was a big

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influence like that really dark moody rock music, Kurt Cobain

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kind of stuff. Radiohead, you know, like, that was my big,

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those are my father figures for a while, but it was making me

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more and more depressed and not feeling like myself. So I killed

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all of that, instead of actual suicide and the ego side, and it

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chose to just do what actually felt in alignment. And, you

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know, doing yoga 12 years ago is definitely not cool. And for

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men, and,

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and that was usually the only guy in the class and for years,

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I was usually the only guy in the class and, you know, now

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it’s a lot more normal, but it’s, it’s like I didn’t care

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about that I didn’t care about you know, what anyone thought of

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me or what it looked like, but I was there for my healing. And,

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you know, yoga got me and my body got me to get into these

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deep meditative states of presence and self awareness.

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And, and, you know, you just start to notice all these

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patterns, everything that’s out of alignment, and you just start

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to see like, okay, that’s not working, that’s not working and

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change it. And that’s kind of in my process. And till you know,

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where I’m at now is kind of where I want them to be the

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whole time of where I feel like I’m just doing the work I really

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enjoy, and fortunate to get to help people. And that was like

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the ultimate conclusion of all that, there’s a few things. So

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number one is like life can either be a tragedy or comedy.

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And for a long time, it was a tragedy. And then I decided with

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the ego side that it’d be a comedy. And I would

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not care what people thought and just do what felt right. And,

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you know, as long as it doesn’t hurt anybody, you know, and then

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the second thing was MLK, Martin Luther King, Jr, quote that

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stuck with me when I was in that depressive state of

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he says, life’s most pressing and urgent question is, what are

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you doing to help other people. And my whole thing at that point

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was just trying to succeed as a musician. And that wasn’t really

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helping anybody. It was just this trying to help out this

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image in my head. So I switched to helping and even if it’s just

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one person, even if I teach yoga class, and nobody comes, or one

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person comes,

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you know, I just decided I’m going to try to help people like

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my teachers helped me because doing the yoga practices, and

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that training like

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was, by far the best thing I’ve ever done for myself. And so

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life changing. I’m a high school dropout, I had no money growing

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up, no family to support me. And the first thing I ever completed

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was my yoga teacher training. And I

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felt like that was the thing I’d been looking for is like

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understanding philosophy, anatomy, spirituality,

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meditation, all the things are included in there. So I just

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really stayed on that path since then. And it’s just continue to

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deepen and expand. I feel like I’m still learning things all

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the time. Because there’s so much depth to it. And I was just

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kind of looking for that my whole life. And now I feel like

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I’m living in alignment with that, and I’m really grateful

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for that. So I hope that’s helpful. Yeah, answer. Yes. That

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was such a Yeah, in depth answer. And so beautiful. Thank

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you so much for sharing all of this.

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It must have been a very lonely path and a hard path at times,

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but like you said, it was so worth it. It was so worth to let

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everything go. Let your ego go. I can recall eckerd tolley, you

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will know heard of him. Yes. went through a similar

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experience. And yeah, now you kind of flipped around your

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whole life experience and sharing with other people and

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helping them and inspiring them. It is like so incredible to me

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to hear your story and to feel and imagine how you have felt

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when

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We’re growing up. And to know now when I look at you when I

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listened to your podcast, I just think he’s like the role model

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that if I had children one day, I want to let them know this is

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the direction we want to go. Right? This is and so from from

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not having any, like inspiration and to living like growing up in

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darkness, you created your own world, you you probably have

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friends now that feel like family and support and

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everything you needed back then as a child you have now and as

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because you were willing to walk through that loneliness and, and

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yeah, show your true self.

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Thank you. So yeah, incredibly grateful.

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I cannot stop saying that.

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I’m gonna it comes to astrology. I know, for a lot of guys,

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they’re gonna probably switch off the episode now. But talk

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about it because I feel more and more people are interested in in

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because you either believe in it or not. But it can teach you

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again, a lot about yourself. What were the experiences of for

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you that you’ve made? Was it in magazines, or podcast? or? Yeah.

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When was the strategy

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starting to change you and change who? Like how you see

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yourself?

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Yeah. So there’s a couple of significant things that first is

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that when I was growing up, and this is just a sort of

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paranormal, weird story, and I’m not very paranormal person at

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all. But my mom and my stepdad were playing with a Ouija board

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when I was like eight or nine. And they said, if you’re, if

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you’re a healer, give us a sign. You know, they’re asking all

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these questions. And then finally they say, Okay, give us

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a sign if you’re, this is real, and all the power went out and

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the whole block. And so as like a like eight year old kid, I was

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like what, you know, like, maybe it’s just a coincidence, you

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know, whatever. But that sort of sparked my imagination of like,

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trying to understand like, maybe there’s more to life than just,

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you know, physical practical reality. And, you know, having a

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difficult childhood, I think a lot of people who have like

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traumatic, difficult childhoods they, they look outside of the,

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the, you know, like, I didn’t have the mom, dad family unit

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thing. So you have to think outside the box, you have to

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look outside of what’s normal and expected. So you get curious

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about the things that are more esoteric, and that’s what I did.

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And

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so I was always curious about astrology and paranormal stuff.

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But I kind of just stopped focusing on the paranormal

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stuff. And I kind of followed astrology loosely, even from my

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childhood.

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But it wasn’t until doing the yoga training and then working

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with my teacher, his name is metop Benton, he’s written a few

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books about yoga things, including the book called

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astrology yoga. So he was my teacher for my yoga training.

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But also he was an astrologer. And I heard people had amazing

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experiences, like people were just raving about his readings.

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So I scheduled one and eventually did that. And again,

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I was still very poor. So it took me about a year to finally

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pay for this, like $80 reading.

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That’s how I ended up doing the teacher training, I had to do

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like this work trade to pay for that. So there’s, you know,

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still very poor at this point. And like 12 years ago or so. And

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I got a reading with him. And he’s basically told me my whole

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life, like he didn’t actually know me, like, we knew him as a

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teacher, but like, looking at my birth chart, he knew like I

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didn’t have my father, you knew things about my life that were

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very specific and like specific dates, convened.

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Like there was a certain turning point in 2008, for me, and

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that’s, you can see that date on my vedic astrology chart. This

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is different than Western astrology, Western astrology

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doesn’t have these time periods in that same way, it doesn’t

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have a lot of the same ways of going really deep like this. So

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this is the Vedic Astrology that he taught. And that’s been used

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in India for 1000s of years. And yeah, that just that reading a

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really stuck with me and

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change the trajectory of my life significantly. Like I was like,

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yoga was great, like, Okay, I know this is good. But then the

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astrology stuff is like, how did he see that? How does he know

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this stuff? I’m like, so what is it about astrology that can do

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this? And so I got really curious and I did an

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apprenticeship with him and learn as much as I could about

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it and didn’t think I’d ever have my own work doing that or

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teaching it because it’s so complex and so rich and deep but

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event

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It came to the point of like, I realized, no,

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I want to help a former version of myself. That’s kind of where

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I’m at now is like, everything I’m doing now is the things I

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wished existed 12 years ago. And it was so much harder to find

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so many things even just 1015 years ago, and now the internet,

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everything is so easy and podcast. So my Vedic Astrology

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podcast was the first Vedic Astrology podcast. And now

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there’s a few, but it’s a dig, I created it, because the stuff

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was confusing and difficult to learn. And there weren’t good

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websites at the time. So I created that. And

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ultimately, I think it’s one of the most empowering tools for

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self awareness and self realization. And so validating

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to see it’s like, okay, you know, loss of Father is in my

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chart. And I kind of tried to test it and tried to find them

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and did everything I could, I even worked with an FBI agent,

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who has like records on everybody, and he couldn’t find

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them. So I just sort of that was one of the ways where I just

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sort of surrendered of like, okay, like, there’s some truth

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in this chart, you know, there’s, there’s things we can

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control, there’s always things we can control and choose how to

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respond to life. But there are some things that are bigger than

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us, like, I didn’t choose to be born. And I probably won’t

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consciously choose when I die. But there’s a lot of choice in

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between. And by a lot of things like, I don’t get to choose

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who’s going to, you know, show up to my classes, or you know,

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who I’m going to interact with all the time. So, astrology

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gives us some of that perspective on those bigger

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universal things playing out these karma zz that are playing

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out of like, yeah, in this state, something big is going to

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happen, related to X, Y, and Z. And now I can sort of understand

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it a little more, maybe prepare for it. But ultimately, it’s

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just sort of, as Einstein would say, like, he would say, I want

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to know how God thinks. And I think that’s what astrology is.

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For me. It’s like, I want to know how the universe is

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creating and understand it a little bit. I don’t think I’ll

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ever understand it fully at all, but at least have a hint of

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like, okay, there’s some patterns here that I can learn

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from? Mm hmm. Yeah.

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Yeah. Such a powerful part of your life now. And you make

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people interested in it, and you make it very engaging. Like, the

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first time I listened to it. My boyfriend was in the room. And

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like, I didn’t know him that well, at the time, I thought he

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was gonna be like, Oh, no, like, I’m gonna leave the room. And he

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was like, oh, like, really? Is that going to happen this week?

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And

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that’s interesting. Well, let’s keep an eye out. And yeah, so it

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was very engaging. And

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interesting to see that there’s parallels with the Vedic

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astrology and the real world, like in politics even a couple

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months ago, and but then also internally,

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and you don’t have to, like give everything else up and focus

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only on that you can, but you cannot see it as a guide and see

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like parallels. Right? And, yeah, it’s a beautiful tool that

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you can use to get to know yourself better and your

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environment and to relate maybe on a deeper level as well.

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Yeah, absolutely. Just there’s so many things in the my first

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reading that just stood out, like How does he know this?

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Like,

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it, it’s once you get to understand astrology, it’s, it’s

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pretty clear and things like, you know, before that, you know,

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in the US here and 2021 and insurrection thing that happened

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in the beginning of January, like, like, I got a lot of

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messages from people of like, you just said, this is gonna

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happen.

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You know, it’s, it’s like, that’s, that’s the kind of stuff

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you can just look through history and you see the patterns

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and it’s like, okay, there’s going to be a revolution

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happening.

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So it’s,

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in a way it’s, it’s

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simpler. And from the Vedic perspective in India, like they

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often think of time, very long stretches. And us, we often

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think of time and very short stretches of like, What about

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now? What am I going to do today? What’s the news today?

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But often, the Vedic perspective is 1000s of years of like, you

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know, we’re going to reincarnate and come back. And you know,

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I’m, I don’t, you know, I don’t think you have to believe

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anything or follow any particular path to understand

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astrology, learn from it, or yoga. But yeah, that’s the sort

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of Vedic perspective of like, there’s just cycles of time

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playing out there’s patterns. Yeah. Yeah. And we’re all just

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animals, I like to say and we have Yeah, we go with the flow

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at times and we react to, to things that are happening in the

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world.

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Just because that energy is right there, and we felt feel

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like we have to awaken now we have to have a revolution

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because the old is is not serving us anymore. And I can

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totally see. Yeah, it’s like waves like, like the ocean.

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Yeah, coming back and forth. And yeah. So yeah, we’re coming to

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an end here. Your story is incredibly powerful. In a

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nutshell, I would say, You chose to not live alive as a victim,

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you chose to take what you had, and leave it behind and find

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something new and find yourself.

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So this, in and of itself is so inspiring already. Is there any

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message you would like to send out to mainly men but also

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women? The thing out there who are still maybe stuck in a

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situation they don’t want to be in are still feel like a victim?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, it’s, it’s really tough. Like, I remember, having

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a job I really didn’t want to be at,

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there was a moment that stood out where, you know, we were

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working overtime, like 60 hours, 70 hours a week at this window

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factory that I worked at. And all I could think of is I just

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want to save up money and get out of this job. And me and my

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close friend, I had a few friends who work there,

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actually, we were all just like, we just want to save up money

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and quit because it’s, it was so stressful and so difficult. And

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we were carpooling home One morning, there was that we

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worked the night shift. It’s like 7am, and our leader, or

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like shift leader, guy or manager came out in front of our

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car, like, jokingly, like, we’re only going like two miles an

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hour, but he came out in front of our car, like jokingly, like,

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with his hands up, he’s like, Just kill me now. You know, it’s

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just like, we’re all stressed out, we all wanting to get out

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of this situation.

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It’s not where we wanted to be. And that just stood out to me,

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it’s just like, I just need to just quit already. And I, you

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know, I didn’t really have a good plan at the point at that

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point. And it was the best income I’d made at that point

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for sure. So it’s scary, it’s uncertain, it’s unnerving to

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leave what is safe and familiar and what you’re already in. But

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that feeling is there for a reason. Like, that’s can’t

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ignore those feelings. as men, I think we’re often trained to

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just sort of

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not feel and like, like, whatever I can, I can handle

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anything, we want to be impervious to pain, essentially.

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And that’s kind of what we admire in like, action heroes

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are athletes, like wow, like, you know, nothing can stop them,

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like MMA, like they can just get knocked down and get back up.

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And that’s sort of a masculine strength. But when it comes to

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emotions, and those little messages of like, this has got

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to change, this is out of alignment. Like we’ve got to

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listen to those, I think otherwise, we continue to suffer

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and ultimately going to create a world where that’s sort of

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normalized, and maybe you have a wife or family or kids or

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whatever, and they see you suffering and struggling and

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being something you don’t want to be. And that creates more of

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that sort of energy all around you, and it reinforces it. So,

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ultimately, I think it’s important to trust those

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intuitions and take little actions, maybe sometimes big

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actions. But to know that ultimately, if you’re,

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if you zoom out, or just, we’re just here for a very short time,

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and it might as well make the most of it while we’re here and

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reach out to people who have done what you want to do. And I

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only reason I’m a yoga teacher now is because I had so many

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good teachers myself, only reason I’m an astrologer now is

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because I had so many good astrology teachers. And that’s

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the only reason I have any success in my business because

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I’ve had so many good teachers and I have a lot of great men in

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my life in the mankind project and just to I’ve met over the

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years and other stuff. So that’s a great program that any guy can

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get involved in usually anywhere in the world. And, but find

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people who are doing what you want to be doing. And eventually

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you’ll be doing that too. It’s not gonna be immediate, but it

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will happen if you just keep being around those people and

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keep listening to intuition.

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Very beautiful closing words. And yeah, as soon as you decide

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to shine your own light and be truly yourself, you will attract

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also people who

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who see you and who want to support you.

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And lift you up and it’s just incredible. Like it’s scary at

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the beginning, but they will find you if you if you are not

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scared anymore of who you are. And yeah, Jeremy, thank you so,

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so much for your time.

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I know you’ve just got a limited time here and I’m so grateful

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that you made the time to be on my podcast here.

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Yeah, incredible. What we Yeah, just created. I’m very, very

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happy. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. It’s really an

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honor. Yeah, if you have any questions, if you got curious

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about Jeremy’s podcast, please reach out to him or just check

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it out on Apple podcast or anchor or wherever you can find

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podcasts. And yeah, you know where you can find me. Thanks

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for listening and until very soon

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